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20 July 2015 Enterprising Investor Blog

Are Financial Advisers Supposed to Get Paid?

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For many investment professionals, the seemingly inexorable rise of robo-advisers constitutes an existential threat. The fear is simple and justified: Services now exist that provide investors with a portfolio that fits their expressed risk tolerance and reward inclinations for 0.25% of the assets invested in that portfolio.

That's comparably a great deal and thus financial advisers offering a similar service are in a tough place.

If we use the example of a financial adviser currently making $75,000 a year, one who splits their fee down the middle with their firm, we can see this pretty clearly. At a 1% fee, this adviser can make a comfortable middle-class income if they spend 60 hours a week talking to 100 or so happy clients with a grand total of $15 million invested with the firm.

If their fee were lowered to 0.25% of assets, the adviser would need to either take on more clients (and provide less service to existing ones) or seek wealthier clients. Either way, their firm would need $60 million in assets instead of $15 million to make the same amount of money. Like, duh, right?

If losing that much in fees worries you, a widely shared blog post should terrify you. Blake Ross, who co-founded Firefox before spending six years at Facebook as director of product, maintains that those already-reduced fees are astronomically high and should be closer to zero. He even accuses Wealthfront, one of the larger robo-advisers, of embodying the same "Wall Street" mentality that many find reprehensible.

So while investment professionals are staring at robo-advisers and wondering how they'll ever compete on cost, technology folks are looking at robo-advisers and wondering if they can be undercut further. I've been saying this for a long time at this point, but free investing is the new free checking. The cost of these services is going to approach and eventually reach zero.

So What Should You Do?

Enterprising Investor is written for professional investors, so it's tempting to interpret the question above from a business perspective. What should you do if you want to stay competitive?

The thing is that good business comes from good outcomes, so let's ask the question from a different vantage point. What should you do if you want to give your clients a good outcome?

Blake's argument is really simple to encapsulate. Many robo-advisers compare their fees to the typical investment adviser's 1% and argue that they are fantastic. But that's not necessarily the right benchmark to use. All fees reduce investment return, so what would happen if you didn't pay any of them?

Well, if you're able to save $5,000 a year for 50 years and invest it at a constant 6%, you'd be richer.

The more than $300,000 gap between a 1% annual fee and a .25% annual fee is striking, but so is the $125,000 gap between paying a seemingly nominal .25% and nothing. If you paid 1% a year in fees, you'd have an account that is smaller by 28.5%, whereas if you paid just .25%, you'd be behind by just over 8%.


Value after 50 Years of Saving $5,000 Annually

Value after 50 Years of Saving $5,000 Annually


And remember, that's for an account that receives regular contributions over time. For a lump sum investment, the gap is even larger.

So like, why would you pay fees? The answer you have to give is because the fees are for services that add value, right? So the only question that matters is simple . . .

Value Compared to What?

Blake's post makes the point that many of the services that Wealthfront and other similar robo-advisers provide are of uncertain or questionable value, and he may well be right. It's awfully difficult to beat a Vanguard target date retirement fund on cost.

But what is value here? What's the point of saving money? Managing someone's money well should be about maximizing their quality of life. It seems quite reductive to distill that down to the size of their bank account in retirement. Everybody wants more money, but it's not the point of existence. It's just a means to buy the stuff you need or want.

A mean-variance optimized portfolio, however it's delivered, is simply not the same as insight into what you will need and might want. It is also not as valuable. If you approach a client with a perfectly customized portfolio but fail to explain the role it will play in their life, they won't care very much. They might well become a client, but they will miss the point of the exercise and you will have failed both them and yourself.

So don't neglect the conversations that are really important when you sit down with your clients. Don't forget to ask them about what they're doing to live a good life. You should be able to have discussions about the trade-off between spending money now to be happier and saving it for later in a context that is broader than an ending account balance.

If you're willing and able to have those sorts of conversations with clients, then it'll be worth paying top dollar for your services. But that assertion only confirms that the product you provide — advice — is worth something. It doesn't tackle the question of how to charge for it.

That's somewhat intentional. How do you think we should be charging? Let me know in the comments below.

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26 Comments

DH
Dominique Henderson (not verified)
20th July 2015 | 7:15am

As an advisor I feel you are on the right path with adding value to the service(s) we provided. Most advisors have been trained in many areas of financial services to include insurance planning, tax advice, business analysis, and budgeting--not just investments. Robo-advisors would be hard pressed to do all those things for just 25bps a year. I think human advisors should rise to the occasion and start competing on a higher level and offering a full service option to investors and earn the fee we charge!

WO
Will Ortel (not verified)
20th July 2015 | 10:13am

Dominique --

Many thanks for commenting. I think the constraint on the robo side in providing insurance, tax, business, and budgeting services isn't so much the fee but the relative youth of many of these services and the approach that the silicon valley mindset takes toward product development. I would expect robo advisers to "nail" investment management before they branch out to provide other services.

I totally agree that financial advisers should be rising to the occasion, but I don't think it's enough to simply provide a greater breadth of services at the traditional 1% fee. The important thing to remember is that anything that can be described as a workflow is something that a computer can do. So the processes that we use to provide each of the services that robo advisers don't can and will be automated.

So I agree with you that there is presently a significant gap in the services that are provided, but I don't believe that's a durable competitive advantage. Workflows will not fuel competitive advantage the way client preference will. My question to you is straightforward: can you combine these services in a way that makes your clients actually want to use them (as opposed to feeling like they have to)?

Will

DH
Dominique Henderson (not verified)
20th July 2015 | 10:40am

Will,

You've hit the nail on the head. I strongly believe that proof beyond a reasonable doubt, and "what's in for me" are the 2 necessary agents for change.

I think conversations like this can help fuel that type of change in the industry. Your question is a valid one, so often I end up starting the conversation with "what's most important to you?"

WO
Will Ortel (not verified)
20th July 2015 | 11:08am

Many thanks Dominique! That's a good approach, but I still wonder about asset-based fees. If you couldn't charge for your services that way, how would you?

DH
Dominique Henderson (not verified)
20th July 2015 | 11:20am

Let's take this off line, I'm interested in discussing it further. message me in LinkedIn.

WO
Will Ortel (not verified)
21st July 2015 | 9:15am

Definitely. I'll ping you next week.

DJ
Doug J. (not verified)
20th July 2015 | 6:00pm

Good Afternoon

First, feel free to respond and post to me, but forgive not leaving last name. I did not want to have to go through a process of compliance pre-approval, as my firm requires when i post publicly, using my full name.

Should you want to follow up or get my information, respond with such and I will reach you via your Twitter.

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I am an adviser, primarily fee-based, but over the last year, transitioning my practice to FLAT fee for planning/consulting based on time spent, pegged to an hourly fee.

As I make the current move, and even as I moved from commissions to fee-based 12 years ago, there has always been one theme as it related to compensation: what exactly is my value and how should I express that to clients.

Your points are valid and your advice prescient, especially in light of the recent DOL Fiduciary Rule debate (between the DOL and Financial Services Institute).

My one thought while reading your piece is that there should be a stronger point made as it relates to the value an adviser brings to a client and the quantification that may justify more than just an asset-based fee to them.

Yes, cost 'friction' to portfolios is material and between that and tax drag, that is low hanging fruit to add to long-term returns.

However, what are your thoughts as to the value of the following human advice and feedback not available from the non self-aware computer or index fund?

Some examples: matching a client's values or aspirations to financial products or solutions, guidance as life events evolve, expertise of a Socratic discussion on which investment or approach to take (ie long term care insurance versus simply saving $, Social Security taken prior to full retirement age, "should I loan my adult child $100k to invest in a tavern with his college friend,") or finally, the long term GAIN experienced the by advice we provided that helped the client avoid a mistake that may have caused a permanent loss of capital, or worse.

As the saying goes: your true cost is the price you pay less the value received.

Once again, my goal is in seeing a balanced conversation (not necessarily here, but anywhere it relates to financial services industry) on the value the ethical adviser may add and certainly less emphasis on what something simply costs.

Once again, thanks, Will, for a well written and thoughtful conversation.

DI
Dmitriy Ioselevich (not verified)
20th July 2015 | 11:45am

Great post, Will. There's been downward pressure on fees for several years now, and frankly I'm surprised it's taken this long to get close to zero. I think the future financial advisor/fee model will look something like this:

0% fee for anyone under 30 or with a portfolio under 100k
.25% fee for people aged 30-50 or with a portfolio between 100k and 500k
.5% fee for people aged 50+ or with a portfolio above 500k
1% fee for portfolios above 1 million

The added services that justify a higher fee (such as tax and estate planning) don't really come into play unless an investor is near retirement or has a reasonably high net-worth. The vast majority of Americans should have easy access to free or nearly free financial advice, with the option to pay more for specific add-on services.

The elephant in the room is what happens if 90% of U.S. investors all have capital committed to the same handful of index funds? Does that make the market, and therefore everyone's investment portfolios, safer or more volatile?

M
Michael (not verified)
20th July 2015 | 9:42pm

I don't think the investor with $1 million would be too excited about paying a 1% fee if he knows he can spread his assets around to multiple advisers and pay only 0.25%. Also, the DoJ might have a problem with an advisory fee that penalizes/targets the elderly...as would AARP...and my grandpappy.

WO
Will Ortel (not verified)
21st July 2015 | 1:17pm

Michael --

Great points -- I think Dmitriy's big concept is that fees should be zero under a certain threshold and rise commensurately with services provided. I responded in more depth to him, but wanted to thank you for reading too!

Cheers and all best --

Will